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--[[:de:Benutzer:Emes|Martin S.]] 08:17, 31. Dec 2006 (UTC)
== your message ==
Thanks for your message Hannes. Lets look for a neutral solution. Perhaps the most straightforward would be [[Trentino-Supra Adiĝo/Sudtirolo]], [[Provinco Trento]], [[Provinco Bolzano]], [[Trento]], and [[Bolzano]]. Then including the Italian, German, and Ladin names in the article. Some of these titles are getting toooo long. I am from the United States, so I speak English. I know about the Italian/German POVs for this region, and it is important to maintain neutrality and not let one's national viewpoint take over. Wikipedia, nor the World, should be for fighting over such things. Assume good faith and try to improve the articles without brining in boring politics. my regards, [[Vikipediisto:Icsunonove|Icsunonove]] 00:22, 16. Sep 2007 (UTC)
: Hi Hannes, thanks for your message. I appreciate you have good intentions, and I like your attitude. The one thing I believe though is we can not only use Sudtirolo, that is obviously not neutral. Also, why did you remove Trentino-Supra Adiĝo/Sudtirolo (Trentino-Alto Adige/Südtirol) and just put Trentino-Sudtirolo (Trentino-Südtirol)? Likewise, there is no need to ask for pages like Provinco Bolzano to be deleted, they can and should be used as redirects. Lastly, I implore you to look for a neutral bilingual solution, i.e. Supra Adiĝo/Sudtirolo, Bolzano-Bozen, etc. One without the other is disrespecting the long Italic/Roman and Germanic history of this region. regards, [[Vikipediisto:Icsunonove|Icsunonove]] 18:31, 16. Sep 2007 (UTC)
:: Hello Hannes, I do think that Provinco Bolzano or Provinco Bolzano-Bozen is valid Esperanto though; don't you think? [[Vikipediisto:Icsunonove|Icsunonove]] 21:52, 16. Sep 2007 (UTC)
==Sudtirolo==
Saluton. Kio estas la nuna problemo kun [[Provinco Bolzano]], [[Sudtirolo]] kaj ceteraj? -- [[Vikipediisto:Yekrats|Yekrats]] 23:25, 16. Sep 2007 (UTC)
Mi pardonpetas: Mi ne konas italan geografion bone. Ĉu "Sudtirolo" estas provinco, kun la ĉefurbo [[Bolzano]]?
Ĉu la nuna formo de la du artikoloj estas ĝustaj? -- [[Vikipediisto:Yekrats|Yekrats]] 00:11, 17. Sep 2007 (UTC)
Bonvolu formigi la artikolojn laŭ la LOKA nomo, kaj listigi la paĝojn por mi. Menciu la aliajn nomformojn en la artikolo. Tiam mi malpermanente protektos la paĝojn. -- [[Vikipediisto:Yekrats|Yekrats]] 00:26, 17. Sep 2007 (UTC)
== question ==
Are you going around and saying I have fascist intentions? I hope not, because after our conversations I would say that is quite underhanded behavior -- not to mention, disappointing. You said things before that impressed me, that you were concerned about neutrality. But calling someone a fascist, or a nazi, etc. is a personal attack, and not one to made lightly. [[Vikipediisto:Icsunonove|Icsunonove]] 05:00, 17. Sep 2007 (UTC)
: You placed on the article [[Sudtirolo]]: '''''Aŭtonoma Provinco Sudtirolo''''' Are you mad? :-) [[Vikipediisto:Icsunonove|Icsunonove]] 05:13, 17. Sep 2007 (UTC)
:: and on someone else's page you said I'm against the German language?? Man, you were telling me nice things about neutrality with one hand, and doing something else with the other. Not impressed HannesM. You might want to ask yourself why you are making up things like "Provinco Sudtirolo". Have you fallen into the same trap as many others with nationalism? Really disappointed, as my ancestors come from this area and you are undoubtedly a distant cousin... [[Vikipediisto:Icsunonove|Icsunonove]] 05:33, 17. Sep 2007 (UTC)
Bonvolu sendi al mi retpoŝton ĉe Yekrats@gmail.com -- [[Vikipediisto:Yekrats|Yekrats]] 11:21, 17. Sep 2007 (UTC)
== accusations ==
HannesM, how can you say that I have far-right tendencies? You have to learn that if someone uses the name Salorno or Bolzano they are not right-wing fascists out to make you study Italian for 12 years. Your surname looks like a Ladin surname to me. Are you angry also because previous generations of Germanic people made your family speak German? I mean, relax! The important thing is to capture all the historical names and current Italian and German names in the article. You saying I'm going around Wikipedia erasing German, that is absolutely absurd. On the English Wikipedia I put the Republic's national language first (Standard Italian), then the locally-spoken language second. Is this fascist and right-wing? It looks like a pretty basic convention to me that is often used in English. I've done this in towns in the Val di Non (Italian, Nones). In the Ladin communities (Italian, Ladin, German). In the German communities (Italian, German). Actually, why are you so up tight about the order? I remember you don't like Alto Adige/South Tyrol because South Tyrol comes second? Come on, this reminds me of Korea and Japan fighting over the World Cup title. The Italian language is simply the language of Tuscany that is now the national language of Italy. Having a Standard Language is not far-right politics, it is a necessity in any modern country. My relatives speak mostly Ladin these days, but I certainly have a strong German and Roman/Italic background. I have no bias towards one or the other. In fact, I should be the person you would most like to know, after what I saw you write on my page. I live in the US so I see this from a Global point of view. There is nothing worse to me than seeing the ridiculous fighting between "ethnic" groups. I actually do not see them as ethnic groups, it is all a mix of the same people, but speaking some different tongues. Someone in Merano/Meran is as much my "cousin" as someone in Verona; same with Innsbruck. I like the Ladin language the best actually, if I'm biased I better go and change everything to Ladin, right? I think your mentality is still a bit too binary. So you said you left the province because you don't like the things you see, but are you absolutely sure they don't influence what you do? [[Vikipediisto:Icsunonove|Icsunonove]] 19:04, 17. Sep 2007 (UTC)
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