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Kial vi alinomis vandale artikolojn? Se vi ne parolas E-o: Why do you do that? That's vandalism. We have our own guidelines regarding the naming of articles. Nothing is changed without discussion. If you would like to give any suggestions, then contact me. If you're Italian, we can talk in Italian. -- HannesM 19:26, 15. Sep 2007 (UTC)

Hello again! Sorry if the above-standing message sounds rough. I surely wasn't! It's because in the last weeks many Wikipedias were vandalized. Therefore we have two articles about South Tyrol. I can assure I'm NO nationalist. On the contrary! Look at the right part of my user templates and you will find my conviction over democracy. If I would be a nationalist, I wouldn't be interested in Esperanto, a movement which unites people of every culture and creed. I also was thinking on changing some names. For example I've never liked "Boceno" which is an abstrused term. I would also like to have "Bolzano" instead of "Boceno" which is neither German nor Italian nor anything, if you're interested in that. It's okay if you changed that. User Surfo has established a system of naming in this Wikipedia, which is similar to that one in the English Wikipedia. The number of speakers determine the name of a location. It was already used in articles about Finnish and Indian towns. We surely don't change it. Trentino-Supra Adiĝo/Sudtirolo is not so good, because "South Tyrol" is in the last position, but acceptable. Trento is okay, but the German and Ladin name should be mentioned in the article, since the Italian names are mentioned in South Tyrolean locations with more than 97% of German speakers. (I have made that the articles about the villages should have the German or Ladin name as title and the Italian name as first name in the article.) Provinco Bolzano is very bad, even some of the Romance languages on Wikipedia use a kind of "South Tyrol". Only Italians call this "Provincia di Bolzano" and Esperanto is international. It's not at all neutral. Provinco Trento is not so good, because it is autonomous and has also another, more common name, which is Trentino. I know it, I once lived there. Best regards, -- HannesM 04:14, 16. Sep 2007 (UTC)

Hi Icsunonove! I fully understand your arguments. You have to know, that the article was made years before I've joined this Wikipedia. But this is the Esperanto Wikipedia, an invented language, if you want. Unfortunately there doesn't exist Supra Adiĝo in Esperanto. I don't know who put that name into the articles. New words in Esperanto have to be approved by a language society. Officially there does exist only "Sudtirolo". It wasn't my decision, but that of the society with the argument, that Sudtirolo is internationally more current (and approximately the same arguments as in the English Wikipedia). There was no aim to discriminate against anybody. I had the pleasure to meet many Italian esperantists, and they also agreed on Sudtirolo. It's okay if you say Bolzano or Laives or Vadena (I created these articles by using the Italian name corresponding to the census), but not Supra Adiĝo. Sudtirolo is okay, because it is an official word and is also used by the major Wikipedias (South Tyrol, Südtirol, Syd-Tirol, Tirolo del Sur asf.). I personally don't like the term Südtirol because it is as same as Alto Adige without historical basis. So, I'm not a big fan of this word but it's the only official Esperanto word for this province. But remember, nobody says "Sudtirolo". It's neither German nor Italian nor Ladin. Other artificial languages like Interlingua or Novial have their "control languages", which are the sources for the vocabulary (primarily Romance ones). There you can eventually use a derivation of "Trentino-Alto Adige/Südtirol" (I don't know the situation there). But I ask you kindly to accept the naming guidelines of our Wikipedia and especially our language. Our language grew up with the idea of neutrality. It consists also of Italian and German vocabulary. But when we speak, we aren't interested in the origin of a word. The important thing is, that everybody understand the word. And only "Sudtirolo" is current in our circle. Best regards, HannesM 21:21, 16. Sep 2007 (UTC)

As I said: It was not my decision, I am not allowed to decide. I saw you changed all the names of the villages. I thought we can discuss, therefore I said, no changes without discussion. That's a serious violation, because the Wikipedia has already decided 2 months ago about the names of the locations. Your intentions are not neutral but seem to have some Italian extreme right-wing inclinations. HannesM 22:13, 17. Sep 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, but this is unfortunately true. I thank you for your compliments, but I'm heftily beginning to doubt on your point of view. Don't accuse me of that what I said, because you already called me for the second time a nationalist. As an esperantist I don't belong to any nation. We're cosmopolitans. But I ignored it, because it is silly to struggle with somebody I personally don't know. I am also disappointed, maybe more than you. You say you have some ancestors there. Surely they were Italians. This shows to me you are partial. I observed your behavior on other Wikipedias. There you try to erase all the German names. In the articles you put all the German names even behind the Ladin name. Why do you hate the German speakers so much? What have they done to you? You're living in America. You have no idea of the kindness and friendliness of the South Tyroleans. The politics is made by the (left-wing) SVP and the right-wing parties not by the people. And by the way, you hurt me very much by doing that. I went away from this province because I always saw only hatred between the ethnical groups. And now I must recognize, that here on the web it is even worse. You call me mad, and it is okay if you do that. I will take that, you spoke it out in heat of passion. Voltaire said: I may damn your opinion, but I will give my life that you can argue that way. I am democratically minded. My question: More than 69% are German speaking - Why should the Italians always be previleged? This is fascism. Therefore I said this to you. I've never wanted to offend you. -- HannesM 08:07, 17. Sep 2007 (UTC)

I left explanations and justifications on Yekrats' talk page. Regards, HannesM 09:33, 17. Sep 2007 (UTC)

Bolcano/Boceno

Normally, you should choose the more popular/used name and use that as the title. Mention other common names in the body of the article. Don't use a slash sign in the title (unless there is a slash in the name, like OS/2. -- Yekrats 00:16, 16. Sep 2007 (UTC)

Also, please do not include a top "navigation" line (which is an archaic device we used before categories came about). -- Yekrats 00:21, 16. Sep 2007 (UTC)

Ĉu vi ankaŭ ĉe universitato en la "Granda 10"? :-) -- Yekrats 00:28, 16. Sep 2007 (UTC)

Hey, you beat Notre Dame, right? That's a start in the right direction... But, have we entered some sort of bizarro world where Purdue might actually beat Michigan? -- Yekrats 00:33, 16. Sep 2007 (UTC)

Can you contact me about the naming of Bolzano & Sudtirolo? If you get a chance, please send me email at yekrats@gmail.com. I'm trying to sort it out... Thanks! -- Yekrats 23:22, 16. Sep 2007 (UTC)

Via uzantonomo estos ŝanĝata

Saluton,

La programista teamo de Fondaĵo Vikimedio faros kelkajn ŝanĝojn en funkciado de la uzantokontoj. Tiuj ŝanĝoj estas parto de niaj ĉiamaj penoj oferti al niaj uzantoj novajn kaj pli bonajn ilojn, ekzemple intervikiajn anoncojn kaj mesaĝojn. Ĉi tiuj ŝanĝoj havos la sekvon, ke ĉiu unuopa uzanto ĉie havos la saman uzantonomon. Per tio ni povas disponigi al vi novajn funkciojn, kiuj plibonigas la komunan redakton kaj diskutojn kaj ebligos pli fajnajn uzantorajtoj por tiuj iloj. La negativa flanko estas la antaŭkondiĉo, ke uzantokonto nun devas havi unikan nomon sur ĉiuj 900 Vikimediaj Vikioj. Pli da informoj vi trovos sur ĉi tiu anonca paĝo.

Bedaŭrinde, la nomo de via uzantokonto kolizias kun la nomo de alia uzantokonto nomita Icsunonove. Por certigi, ke ambaŭ uzantoj plu povos kunlabori sur la Vikimediaj projektoj via uzantonomo estos ŝanĝita al Icsunonove~eowiki. Tio okazos (same kiel ĉe aliaj uzantokontoj) en aprilo 2015.

Via konto plu funkcios tute same kiel antaŭe kaj vi restos aŭtoro de ĉiuj viaj ĝisnunaj redaktoj, tamen vi devos uzi la novan uzantonomon por ensaluti. Se via nova uzantonomo ne plaĉas al vi, vi povos peti ĝian renomigon per la sekva petilo.

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Yours,
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